We were doing experiments with transgenic plants, in which we
were trying to make the plants resistant against virus infection. So
we were taking genes out of a virus and expressing them as
transgenes in a plant. For various reasons, we thought that would
confer virus resistance. In fact some of them did, and we were very
pleased about that.
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“If you want to know what a gene does, the best thing to do is silence it and look at the effect on the organism.”
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But—and this surprised us—plants that had the transgene that
were resistant had the transgene switched off—it was silent. We
had plants with the same transgene that were not resistant, and in
those plants the transgene was not silent. We finally figured that
the silencing mechanism that was shutting down the transgene in the
plant was also conferring the resistance against the viruses.
When was that research originally published?
The first paper we published on that was in 1993.
So how do you go about figuring out what was happening?
We wanted to know what was conferring the specificity. The
resistance and the silencing mechanisms were nucleotide
sequence-specific and we thought that it was probably working
through antisense RNA.
Andrew Hamilton, my coauthor, who was a post-doc at the time, did
lots of experiments looking for antisense RNA in any plants that
were silencing genes. We extended our analysis away from plants that
were just doing the silencing of viral transgenes, and Andrew
started looking at a whole bunch of other plants as well. He tried
for a long time. The success of the work was a real testimony to
Andrew’s persistence. He tried looking for antisense RNAs and he
couldn’t find them. Finally, we suspected that we might be running
them off the end of the gel. Small RNA runs quickly. He adapted the
methodology and started looking for short antisense RNA, and that
indeed is when he found it.
How long did it take Dr. Hamilton to find the small RNA?
He was probably working on it for about three years altogether.
What is it about this research that makes it so influential and highly
cited?
This all panned out subsequently because it turned out that we
were looking at the same mechanism that Craig Mello and Andrew Fire
were looking for, and for which they just got the Nobel Prize. We
were looking at the mechanism in plants; a lot of other people were
looking at it in animals. It turns out it’s a universal mechanism.
These little short RNAs are ubiquitous in RNA silencing, and that’s
why it’s so significant.
How does RNA silencing in plants differ from the mechanism in animals?
That’s one of the open questions at the moment. In many
respects the mechanisms are the same—but there may also be
differences. In plants for example—as in fission yeast—the short
RNAs direct epigenetic modifications to chromatin and DNA. The jury
is still out as to whether or not animals have retained the
potential to use these short RNAs for these same epigenetic
mechanisms.
Where has the field gone in the eight years since you published your
highly cited paper?
It’s gone in three main directions: One is towards a technology
for shutting off genes. If you want to know what a gene does, the
best thing to do is silence it and look at the effect on the
organism. You can develop various ways of making these little short
RNAs and using them to silence genes in both plants and animals. It’s
a very useful experimental technology.
Another way a lot of people would like it to go is to use these
short RNAs as an RNA drug. If you could find a way of delivering
these RNA to animals so that you could silence a disease gene or a
virus gene, you could develop therapeutics against that virus or
that disease. You can also use strategies based on short RNA for
improvement of crop plants.
The third direction the whole field is going is trying to look at
endogenous short RNAs made in cells, irrespective of any transgenes,
and asking what they do. There’s a whole family of endogenous
silencing mechanisms and they are important in both genetic and
epigenetic mechanisms.
Is that what you’re spending most of your time on?
That’s what we’re looking at now. I use a metaphor,
originally used by Gary Ruvkin, who referred to these short RNAs as
the dark matter of genetics. Just like dark matter in cosmology,
there are an awful lot of these short RNAs in cells and they’re
undoubtedly important in the behavior of the genetic or epigenetic
universe. And up until a few years ago we didn’t even know they
were there.
What’s the greatest challenge in pursuing this research?
The challenge, in terms of my own research, is trying to fit
these short RNAs into the big picture of biology. What do they do
and what happens to the organism if it doesn’t make them? They’re
not simple switches like transcription factors. It’s more
complicated than that. So the big challenge for us is coming to
grips with what they’re doing in terms of the biology of the
organism.
Did you expect your 1999 paper to make the splash that it did?
We knew it was pretty important. So we knew we’d done something
good when we found this out.
How has the field itself changed in the past decade?
When we started working this field, it was like walking on an
empty beach littered with gem stones. The beach was deserted, and
wherever you’d walk, there was something valuable to pick up. Now
a whole bunch of people have been over the beach. But there’s
still stuff to find. It’s more of a challenge now, but that’s
good. I like to work in an area that’s important with many people
interested in the same topic. It’s a lot better than following up
something unimportant and have nobody else interested.
Where do you see the research going in the next five years?
I think that our understanding of these short RNAs will be
integrated into a systems biology understanding of cells. I’m
expecting that they influence robustness for complex regulatory
systems. We have to start thinking at a systems level in order to
understand where they fit.
What would you like to convey to the general public about your work?
One message you can take from our experience and others in this
whole RNA interference, silencing field is that plants are just
wonderful experimental systems. They’re just as good as yeast and
as good as worms at revealing aspects of fundamental biology.
David Baulcombe, FRS
The Sainsbury Laboratory
John Innes Centre
Norwich, UK