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this interview, in-cites correspondent Karen Kreeger talks
with Dr. John M. Coffin about his highly cited paper,
"HIV population dynamics in vivo—implications for
genetic variation, pathogenesis, and therapy," (Science
267[5197]: 483-9, 27 January 1995). According to the ISI
Essential Science Indicators
Web product, this paper is currently ranked at #12 among
Microbiology papers published in the past decade. Dr. Coffin’s
record in this field includes 18 papers cited 1,013 times to
date. Dr. Coffin is a Distinguished Professor and American
Cancer Society Research Professor at Tufts University, as well
as the Director of the HIV Drug Resistance Program at the
National Cancer Institute.
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How long have you been working in this area, and how did your
background provide a context for your highly cited 1995 Science
paper?
My research interests had always been centered on retroviruses in
general—ever since I was in graduate school in the late 1960s and
early 1970s. Until the paper I had been following the HIV field
quite closely but I had never done any HIV research in my
laboratory. I had, however, done a certain amount of experimentation
more than 10 years earlier that drove home, for me at least, the
importance of selective forces molding genetic variation in
retroviruses. Actually, when the first papers in HIV genetic
variation and evolution came out (this was about 10 years before my
paper came out), it was quite clear to me that people doing the
analyses were getting it quite wrong because they were assuming a
neutral evolution model that came to conclusions that were very
absurd, for example that all retroviruses evolved from a common
ancestor within the last 4,000 years, when we knew that they have
been around for at least 1,000 times that long. All this was based
on the fact that they were assuming neutral evolution.
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The virus is designed to protect itself against all kinds of things we throw at it, much better than almost any infectious agent that we know of. That’s why development of therapeutics and vaccines has been a slow process. It’s been 20-plus years; how many dollars have been spent and how many papers have been published since the beginning of the AIDS pandemic?
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The conclusion I came to in what was happening with patients
infected with HIV was rather different than with any other virus
that was known at the time. This was that HIV must be replicating
very rapidly throughout the whole course of infection, and that the
latency period was not a period of viral inactivity, but an active
process in which cells were being infected and dying at a high rate
and in large numbers. This turnover was the only sensible way that
one could generate genetic variation and thereby resistance to
anti-viral drugs, which was becoming increasingly apparent.
That notion incubated for 10 years. Finally some more direct
experiments on the effects of effective therapy, including papers by
David Ho and George Shaw, really crystallized everything and
motivated me to finally write up all of these thoughts. The paper is
not really a research paper so much as a theoretical one. This paper
had the same effect on a lot of other researchers, making them think
about HIV as a viral population, a very rapidly replicating
population that was under the sway of perhaps subtle, but important,
selective forces that molded the virus genome. I doubt too many
people had thought about it that way before. I think that’s why
the paper really caught on. And it came out at about the same time
as the papers by Ho and Shaw and collaborators. Although I could
have written it without those papers, I think having them tied to
it, in a sense, gave it that much more impact. In some ways it
became a reference of convenience for a large body of work on the
subject. Of course once things get cited a fair amount they take on
a life of their own.
Quite a few HIV researchers have told me that it has significantly
affected their work and started the field, if you will, of virus
population dynamics. Meaning that the infection is not being carried
forward by latency; it’s being carried forward day in and day out by
its replicative process, which then allows it to evolve. Out of this
came other important, although not yet tested, concepts, which include
the importance of pre-existing mutations and drug resistance.
How would you characterize your general research area?
Generally, I’m interested in molecular retrovirology,
interactions of retroviruses with their hosts, evolution of
retroviruses, pathogenesis, population dynamics, and pathogenesis.
What were or are some of the greatest challenges in performing
your work?
Retroviruses have always been at the forefront of technical
information in molecular biology. Perhaps the biggest challenges are
keeping ahead. These are very competitive, full areas of research.
There are something like 8,000 papers published a year on HIV. So
the biggest challenge is doing something original.
How rapidly has the state of knowledge in your field evolved in
the last decade, and what were some of the key discoveries that
furthered that advancement?
It moves along at a very rapid pace. All kinds of discoveries
have advanced the field. Anti-retroviral therapy for example opened
up new ways of looking at what happens in patients. Not only were
they treating patients with this but it’s still an important way
of looking at what the virus is doing. Advances in cell culture and
virological technology allowed a closer examination of the nature of
the retroviruses. That allowed me to come up with the ideas in the
paper on which I elaborated.
What is the implication of your work for the future of your
field and allied fields?
Some of the important issues that came out of this work were how
one thinks about HIV therapy and therapy for other viruses in terms
of their impact on viral population dynamics, not just the
individual virus. It was the thinking that if one didn’t see any
viral load after a certain amount of time of therapy it really wasn’t
gone, so it’s a reservoir for future bouts. It was this thinking
that led to these issues regarding therapy that led to my part-time
job as Director of the HIV Drug Resistance Program at the National
Institutes of Health in Frederick, Maryland. Here, we’re studying
the tools to test some of these ideas directly. For example, we’ve
developed extremely sensitive assays for viral loads that in the
past were considered undetectable by standard techniques. To find
viral loads in these people who have been in treatment for a long
time was quite surprising to us.
Where do you predict the state of knowledge in your field will
be in 10 years?
I hope we’ll have enough understanding of these processes to be
able to apply them in HIV therapy to use existing drugs much more
wisely. For example, to be able to interpret the patterns of genetic
variation in terms of what it tells us about what’s going on in
the patient. I think there’s a lot of information there. Like with
tea leaves, they can be read to divine the internal workings of the
virus and its interaction with the patient. I’m optimistic that we’ll
be able to understand that fully.
What advice would you give to those entering a research career
in general?
One would be: do not ignore the interesting anomaly. The oddball
result is sometimes something that’s interesting. The second would
be: keep your research focused, but your mind unfocused. Try to make
connections between things that may seem unconnected at first. I
think that failing to make such connections is the biggest mistake
that young researchers make.
What would you like the general public to understand about your
work?
That HIV is unique and it took a while to gain the understanding
that it was different from any other virus. And that HIV infection,
because of this, is an extremely difficult problem. The virus is
designed to protect itself against all kinds of things we throw at
it, much better than almost any infectious agent that we know of.
That’s why development of therapeutics and vaccines has been a
slow process. It’s been 20-plus years; how many dollars have been
spent and how many papers have been published since the beginning of
the AIDS pandemic?
Is there anything you'd like to add?
Yes. My father, Louis F. Coffin, Jr., is also an author on a
highly cited paper that appeared in the mid 1950s in the Transactions
of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (Coffin, L.F.,
"Thermal stress fatigue of a ductile metal," 76:931,
1954).The paper described the Coffin-Manson equation. This equation
essentially tells you, for example, if you bend a paper clip back
and forth, how long or how many bends you have to make before it
breaks. For many years we had this running competition about who had
the most citations in the pages of Current Contents for the
month, and both papers are still being cited very frequently.
John M. Coffin, Ph.D.
Tufts University
Boston, MA, USA
and
National Institutes of Health
National Cancer Institute
Frederick, MD, USA
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