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An
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n
the interview below, in-cites correspondent Gary Taubes talks
with Dr. Marc Tessier-Lavigne about his highly cited paper,
"The molecular biology of axon guidance," (Tessier-Lavigne,
M., and Goodman, C.S., Science 274[5290]: 1123-33, 15
November 1996). This paper is currently ranked at #6 among
Neuroscience & Behavior papers published in the past
decade, with 1,226 citations to date. Dr. Tessier-Lavigne’s
work in the ISI
Essential Science Indicators
Web product can be found in Neuroscience & Behavior,
Molecular Biology & Genetics, and the Multidisciplinary
field. Dr. Tessier-Lavigne is the Senior Vice President for
Research Drug Discovery at Genentech, Inc., in San Francisco.
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What prompted you to write your highly cited 1996 Science
review on axonal guidance? Or, to put it another way, why then?
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“For decades people had been looking for the molecules involved in the exquisitely precise wiring of the nervous system.”
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The time was just right. For decades people had been looking for
the molecules involved in the exquisitely precise wiring of the
nervous system. How is it that neuronal axons, the extensions of
neurons, can navigate to targets unerringly? What information are they
detecting? What molecules are serving as guideposts? There had been a
number of false starts in the 1980s, a number of attempts to identify
these molecules. A number of candidates had been tested and then
discarded; it was discovered that they either weren’t involved or
were only side players, not the central players. However, by the early
to mid-1990s, over the course of a few years, a number of discoveries
of the key axon guidance molecules were made. At the time, three of
what I like to call the "big four" families of axon guidance
were identified. These were the netrins, semaphorins, and ephrins. The
fourth family of key axon guidance molecules, the slits, wasn’t
identified until 1999.
When you wrote your Science review, did you assume there were
more than three of these families?
If you look at the article, you’ll see that we knew there was a
midline repellant that hadn’t yet been identified. In principle,
this could have been a member of one of the three families we’d
already discovered, but there were indications that it wasn’t. That
turned out to be slit. So, already in 1996 there was the sense of
something lurking out there. It was also clear at the time that there
was another chemotractant missing. It wasn’t until 2003 that we
showed that the other chemotractant is sonic hedgehog.
When you talk about the "big four" does that mean that that’s
it for axon guidance molecule families?
No. Although the "big four" are key regulators of
guidance, other types of molecules have emerged as regulators as well.
For example, one of the pleasing discoveries that was made recently is
that molecules we think of as morphogens also function as axon
guidance molecules. It is an open question as to how many more types
of guidance cues remain to be identified.
What were you hoping to accomplish with the Science review?
What Corey Goodman and I set out to do in that article was really
to step back, and rather than take in the welter of detail emerging,
we wanted to organize it and systematize it and pull out the major
themes and principles that were emerging. And I think that’s why the
review is referenced so frequently. It does lay out the principles in
a way that is rather timeless, and as new discoveries have been made,
they add to and elaborate on the principles we enunciated there. At
least so far, they haven’t added whole new dimensions or invalidated
the general conclusions we drew at the time.
Okay, how do you manage to accomplish all that in just five pages?
It’s interesting. By coincidence, Corey and I were both asked to
write chapters for a textbook edited by Max Cowan. We asked for
permission to pool our efforts. That joint chapter was published in
1997, but it was written before we wrote our Science review.
That chapter is 71 pages long with 14 pages of references. So in it we
really took a broad historical perspective, because we wanted to be
comprehensive. But in writing the chapter, we were able to organize
our thoughts. When we were then asked to write the review for Science,
we were able to distill our thoughts since we’d already gone through
the field in a comprehensive way. It was fortuitous that we’d done
that, and it worked out very well. We had an opportunity to make it
better, and to make it more concise.
How has the field evolved since that 1996 review was published?
It’s gone in a few different directions. First of all, a number
of other examples of these guideposts, or signposts, have been
identified—the slits, first and foremost. As another example, the
receptors for the semaphorins weren’t known at the time. They turned
out to be receptor complexes. So there has been some fleshing out of
the ligands and the receptors. And then, as I mentioned, there have
been a lot of studies aimed at determining specific contributions of
individual members of these families, large multi-genic families.
There are about 20 semaphorins, for example. Identifying what each of
these molecules does has required a lot of work, and it has helped us
refine our understanding of how they contribute to axon guidance. As
we’ve gone along, evidence has been accumulating that other factors
contribute to axon guidance as well—the morphogens, for instance. So
the first advance has been to flesh out the identity of signals and
receptors, and determining specific contributions of these signals and
receptors to axon guidance events.
Part two is the signal transduction mechanisms downstream of the
receptors. The field has been interested in the question: once the
ligand binds the receptor, how does it convey its information? That
information might be attraction, repulsion, stopping, promoting
extension, and so forth. So obviously the receptor has to engage a
signal transduction pathway downstream. There’s been a lot of
progress there, identifying the key molecular players in these
pathways. Perhaps not surprisingly, the signal transduction pathways
have a lot to do with cell motility pathways in general. Today, in
2005, many of the players have been identified, but how the whole fits
together to make the machine work as effectively as it does is,
however, still poorly understood. It has been said that we are still
in the "Baroque" period in this field: we have a lot of the
players identified, but we don’t know how they all fit together.
A third direction in which the field has expanded is in applying
insights from the development of axonal connections to the problem of
regeneration. When axons are severed in the adult, the cut end, the
part that is still attached to the cell body, will reform a growth
cone and try to re-grow. It does this more or less successfully in the
peripheral nervous system but not in the central nervous system—in
the spinal cord and the brain. And so there are mounting efforts from
a number of laboratories, including ours, to determine to what extent
the principles and molecules that are used to wire the nervous system
are also reused to rewire of the nervous system.
And then there’s a fourth area, which is understanding the full
morphogenesis of neurons. Neurons will send out axons that are guided,
but these axons will also branch. A number of groups, including ours,
have sought to identify the molecules that regulate branching. It
turns out that the molecules that guide axons are also used to
regulate branching as well. These molecules are also involved in
regulating dendrite development—the other end of the neuron. To make
the story complete, all these molecules tend to be involved in
regulating the morphogenesis of non-neural tissues as well. A dramatic
example is the morphogenesis of blood vessels. It turns out that all
the major families of axon guidance molecules also regulate vascular
morphogenesis—the patterning of blood vessels, arteries and veins
and capillaries. For example, last October we and our collaborators
showed that the netrins are involved in regulating vascular
morphogenesis.
In short, there are many ways that the field is both staying its
original course, focused on specific issues of guidance of axons to
targets, but also intersecting wonderfully with a whole range of other
studies on growth, guidance, migration, and morphogenesis of other
tissues and organs, and also not just in development but also in
regeneration.
Looking back on the 1996 review, is there anything you’d do
differently today?
I was quite pleased with the review when we finished it. I think if
you read it today, the principles we enunciate there have held true.
And the way we organized it, the way we conceptualized the field, is
certainly the way that I continue to view the field, the prism through
which both I and other workers in the field look at it. So there isn’t
much I would change. I think perhaps the one additional thing we could
have done would have been to have a section on regeneration. At the
time, there was very little data. It would have been mostly
speculation, but we could have perhaps tried to create a framework for
thinking about regeneration.
What is the biggest challenge in the field today? Or the biggest
challenges?
It’s still the case that there isn’t a single neuron in the
body where we can say that, when that neuron sends out its axon and
the axon grows all the way to its target, that we know all the
molecules guiding it to the target. In no case have we been able to
tell the story of a guidance event in full. Until we can do that, we
won’t know just how close we are to having a full explanation of
guidance, as opposed to many robust partial explanations of the
phenomena. So getting a full view of the process is still the big
challenge. We don’t know how close or far we are, because each
investigator in the field focuses on a particular neuron, a particular
portion of its trajectory. I think we have to make a big push to
understand all aspects of the trajectory of at last one class of
neuron. That would be a step forward, but it’s a challenge. If you
want to extend it further, then understanding at a mechanistic level
in the growth cone, the signal transduction mechanisms that integrate
and transduce the guidance signals into direct motion and motility.
That is a big challenge, and we are still a far way off from having
that view. Those are the two challenges I would single out as perhaps
the most significant.
How do you know when you have everything?
That’s a good question. You take away the pieces you think are
necessary and you ask yourself when you’re done if you have the
behavior of an axon that is unguided, or whether some guidance still
remains. That is the best operational way of addressing that issue.
Marc Tessier-Lavigne, Ph.D.
Genentech, Inc.
San Francisco, CA, USA
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Read an interview with Dr. Marc Tessier-Lavigne
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